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Irina Anatolyevna, hello.
Hello, Alexander. I wish you a good morning—or, well, depending on where you are, you might be broadcasting to us in the evening.
Well, look, for some it’s morning, for others it’s evening.
Well, yes.
In general, of course, it’s evening for most people, but it’s not a given that, for example, in Odessa they’ll be able to watch in the Sumy region, they’ll be able to as well. And in Kyiv, like this. By the way, that’s what I’m talking about, yes. But I’m still glad to see you in any case, and I am always ready to discuss any questions with you.
Let’s discuss this rather alarming question. So, we have a central main line [of negotiation] that they are trying to pull, they are huffing and puffing, but the Americans are pushing it forward. It’s like there was this story in the past, during the famine, when people flocked to the Donbas region from all over, from the west and the east, in short, it was hard everywhere. Because they took the coal and food, pushing that coal cart with their hands, and people were fed. We now have the feeling that the Americans are doing this kind of heavy, thankless work, and they shouldn’t be pitied. I’ll explain why now. They are still pushing this main line, meaning Zelensky will eventually have to give in, agree. Trump even came out and said, “Nobody likes it.” Everyone likes it, only Zelensky alone doesn’t like my peace plan. The Russian side looks very careful, diplomatic, in the public negotiation space. But we will be satisfied with some things, dissatisfied with others. In general, we have conveyed certain proposals through security channels. And the Americans are pushing, but the cart is getting heavier and heavier because, essentially, Zelensky is flailing around inside it.
Take the unique situation with the strikes on the Black Sea, on non-military vessels. Then Zelensky comes out and says, “This is our sanction, we hit the Russian fleet.” Then Putin comes out and says, “Guys, here’s what we’ll do: we will strike ships entering Ukrainian ports. The next stage, as an extreme point, we will cut Ukraine off from the sea.” Today, Odessa and Mykolaiv as well suffered a very heavy blow; energy infrastructure was shelled yesterday; they were striking precisely such ships. And here’s the thing: Erdogan is negotiating with Putin now. Erdogan says, “Let’s impose a moratorium.” Putin, apparently, refuses, and strikes are carried out, specifically on a Turkish vessel transporting generators. So, we see that everything is going according to the scenario outlined by Russia.
But the next day, Erdogan comes out and says, “Peace is not far off.” What kind of peace is this? What is this cart with Zelensky inside, which, despite everything, they are trying to push higher and higher up the waste heap [terrikon] of regulation?
How do you assess these events, and is peace in Ukraine really only possible through catastrophe?
Well, I would give your question a catchy title: “Peace for the Sake of War.” Right now, the West, NATO, and personally Zelensky—he has his own game, of course—and there’s this proverbial “bitch” [krichka] dogs have. So, if only they could hold out until morning. Zelensky obviously prays to God for this every day. So everyone has their own peace, Alexander, you understand. The residents of Ukraine, of course—you mentioned Odessa, Mykolaiv, yes, and Kyiv, even though it’s the capital and, as it were, the center of everything should be there, nevertheless Kyiv is also getting its share. This is obvious because it was predetermined back in 2019, when Zelensky, at the Paris meeting on the Minsk agreements—which should have brought peace to Ukraine long ago, and the entire eastern part of the Donbas, including on a federal basis, would have remained part of Ukraine—and the tens of thousands of civilians, peaceful people who live there now would be alive. And all of this is Zelensky. All his promises… I love retrospectives very much; they need to be played constantly, showing this scoundrel, how he stood at the podium of the Verkhovna Rada and what he promised. This needs to be shown every morning to Ukrainians, whom you elected—on television, when there is electricity during those hours, of course—turn on the TVs for our Ukrainians and show what Zelensky said during the oath of the president and during the inauguration: that there would be no war in the Donbas, that the Russian language would be an official language, that there would be no inter-confessional enmity, and so on and so forth. Today he sings completely different songs. After Trump took him… let’s say frankly, by the scruff of the neck. He begins, as you correctly say, to build his own peace, his little Zelensky-esque world. And this little world consists of the following: Well, apparently the pockets are already stuffed, but apparently it’s still not enough. What he has stuffed in those pockets. And on top of everything, I’ll tell you frankly, very bad trends are ripening within the country. The Nazis, nationalists, whatever you want to call them. They are categorically against any deals between Trump and Zelensky. Categorically. Under no conditions. That is, no, not at all—there can’t even be any “but” or “or” after a comma in Ukrainian. The Nazis say, as before, Ukrainian Nazis.
With the loss of Donbas, which, by the way, let’s be frank, what’s there to hide? It was conquered by the Russian Federation, with sweat and blood. And today Donbas is part of the Russian Federation, according to the constitution of the Russian Federation. Zelensky is trying to maneuver and say, “Let’s hold a referendum in the Donbas.” Listen, you fool. Here you go. What referendum? Will you involve the residents of Donbas in the referendum too? Well, that, by the way, is a question that, you see, no one is answering. A referendum among whom? Among the living. Among the living. And here again it’s important to understand: we are holding a referendum on territory that, for now, or… apparently, Putin is stopping the offensive, on the contrary. He comes out and says, according to plans, we continue the task. And everyone just sat back, like, “What?” Here are peace plans, here, like, a demilitarized zone is being considered or not considered. A free economic… even the journalist asks about Donbas, he avoids answering, says, “It’s not the time to talk about that yet.” But I think that, in general, everything will be fine. Our task is to stop the war, so that it doesn’t take 25 thousand lives a month. And here a substitution really happens. Okay, a referendum among whom? Only on the territory of Ukraine, what is currently under Ukrainian flags, I mean. Or involving, for example, residents who now live already under Russian flags on the other side. Donbas—what is meant by that? Those who remained in Kramatorsk, Sloviansk? Of course, the results will depend on who participates. And here there’s a very specific game, a really important one. A game to talk this process to death. To talk it to death and drag out time, to drag out as much time as possible. After all, a referendum needs to be prepared. It’s not like, “Okay, come on, pick up the phone, ‘On your marks, get set, go!'” That’s not how a referendum happens. Well, the referendum, like in 2014, was done very quickly. Remember, there was that one about the creation of the republics, when they were joining. That was all manipulation. It was implied by someone, by some they were implied. On paper, in 2014, there was no LNR/DNR. That’s actually, Alexey… Well, and they did it very quickly everywhere. Printed on a copier. It’s very, like, very, in your opinion. In a month and a half, there was a referendum. Here. And where does Ukraine have a reserve of a month and a half? Of course not. But Zelensky has it. And he wants this month and a half. That’s why he started this mess with the referendum. You understand? That’s what I’m talking about. Any event, especially elections—I’m not even talking about elections anymore—but a referendum also needs to be prepared. And how! And what’s interesting, well, how do I even… And they understand, there is no precedent in international law for part of a country—or rather, part of the people who are citizens of the country, inside the country—to participate in a referendum, while the part that is abroad, and these are millions of citizens, millions, does not participate. What kind of referendum is that? That’s not a referendum. That’s just some kind of rigged affair. Zelensky needs it. Well, then I’ll say this: Zelensky also has a joker up his sleeve. Even if—although I very much doubt this, 99.99% that this referendum will not take place—it’s unlikely. But even if it does take place, Zelensky has a joker: the pocket Verkhovna Rada. It can, by its decision, with an overwhelming majority, cancel the results of the referendum as illegal. That’s all. He started it, and again it’s a delay, an extension of Zelensky’s so-called powers, and you do what you want.
But I’ll say this: since Mr. Trump started all this mess with this peace, this truce—yes, of course, a truce is needed to hold a referendum—here’s another trick of Zelensky’s, through which he can negotiate with the Europeans, these “friends,” to get them to support him a little, both financially and with weapons. But what’s interesting, yes, here’s an interesting thing: the reaction of Trump’s inner circle. They ask him this question: “Can you say what actions, what steps the US President will take if Zelensky really does not go for signing a long-term peace in Ukraine, which was essentially Trump’s own task?” His, let’s say, associates answer that that’s the whole point, that Trump is unpredictable, it’s unknown how he will behave. And here I’ll repeat myself again, probably. I’m very worried about Zelensky’s life, because Trump is Trump, but still, as much as Keir Starmer might not be his own man in London, he still listens to Washington. And if Washington and London start some special operation against Zelensky, then that’s it, guys, you’re being sold out. Here, as they say, no persuasions, no tricks will work. And that in the future Ukraine faces partition—you, by the way, mentioned the famine. I’d like to touch on that topic a little. Right now, yes, Ukraine is experiencing colossal, let’s say, needs in energy resources, it’s known why. Indeed, today, Odessa seems to be in a complete, it seems, blackout. That is, it’s not just that some individual districts are cut off from electricity. All of Odessa is cut off from electricity. Why is Ukraine’s energy system being hit for so long and they still can’t knock it out? This is all, by the way, the result of Soviet construction in Ukraine, in the Ukrainian SSR. Ukraine is covered with such an energy network that even with some hole or even several holes formed, these holes can be bypassed. That is, it’s a very effective system, such a whole network; if you imagine a map of Ukraine and overlay a kind of grid, a fishing net, that’s roughly what Ukraine’s energy system looks like. It’s very difficult to damage it as a whole. And, probably, you simply need to wipe it off the face of the Earth to completely deprive Ukraine of power. That’s impossible to do in principle. But to inflict local strikes and cut off individual enterprises, regions, and so on is quite possible, which is what Ukraine—Russia—is doing.
So, I’ll touch on what I fear, God forbid, of course, that my words don’t turn out to be, let’s say, prophetic. But in connection with the fact that the issue of any truce, negotiations, peace, and so on is being dragged out—and as you correctly noted, the Special Military Operation is developing and planned—in the future, generally, famine, as such, was not in Ukraine. You understand? My grandmother survived both famines in Ukraine. Both the one in the 30s and the one in ’46-’47. It wasn’t connected with, let’s say, some mistakes of the Soviet leadership, as they try to present it, or intentional actions of the Soviet leadership. These were all external factors. Well, it’s clear why, and we won’t dwell on them now. But, as you correctly say, people from Western Ukraine—I’m from Western Ukraine—traveled to Eastern Ukraine, to the more industrial regions of Ukraine, despite the colossal difficulties in this regard. Well, my grandmother didn’t make it to the Donbas, of course, but she traveled here, of course, to the East, closer to Kyiv, somewhere there she got some three bags of apples. She told me clearly how she, in order to feed two young children, including my mother, who was still little, to bring them there to Western Ukraine, sell those apples and get a crust of bread for it. I’m afraid that history is repeating itself. You can laugh or someone might laugh and mock my words, but those who remain in Ukraine today will most likely migrate around the country soon, with such leadership, to get some food for themselves, and on this road they could die and anything could happen. Therefore, what Mr. Zelensky is planning in the future, namely his stay in the chair of the president of Ukraine, I think he risks not only his life—and why I said that above—but also the lives of millions of Ukrainian citizens.
Irina Anatolyevna, based on what we see at the front—look how everything is fine, the counteroffensive in Kupiansk, Zelensky immediately rushes there, takes pictures against the backdrop of a stele, a lot of criticism on the internet about this, and look, I noticed, well, I’m of course not alone, but it’s a very unpopular point of view, and look, no one picks it up, that is, about office public pages, analysts, people say how brave he is, how cool, in short, how extraordinary this is, yes, others say it’s all fake, a montage, the conversation was recorded in advance—that is, some praise it very much, others criticize it very much, no one looks at it soberly. So, from a sober point of view, what was the point, what was the need to show, for example, a video of soldiers, I don’t know, special forces or some assault troops, infantrymen, yes, who would unfurl Ukrainian flags on that same stele, said, “Here you go, Russians, we’re here.” Did he personally need to go, because many say, “Listen, again it turns out this story works, you talk about the value of Zelensky’s life, but he doesn’t really value it, and the Russian army somehow doesn’t really go and shoot, yes, the video was quickly recorded, 38 seconds, he mumbled something in the background, but still, as if they checked the box, yes, earned points.” But the point of this, in his own words, it’s 38 seconds of speech, he says that this is very necessary, like, for negotiations, we strengthen the position at the front in order to strengthen it in diplomacy. How do you assess such motivation, which we officially heard?
You know, Sasha, he is afraid for his life not from his enemies, from the opposite, so to speak, side of the front, he is afraid for his life from his own, he could lose it from his own, his own could kill him with such, so to speak, behavior. And as you correctly noted, by the way, I also, by the way, noticed this, you took the words right out of my mouth: he should have gone to some unit, hugged those soldiers of his, thanked them, as, by the way, Kim Jong Un does, but he does it, by the way, not ostentatiously, you look at the reaction of the Korean people, it’s just such real euphoria from their leader, I’m saying this without a hint of irony. Yesterday, for example, a contingent returned, yes, troops from the DPR, five thousand DPR members who were present in the Kursk region during the demining of this region, the Kursk border area. Many returned without legs—it’s understandable why, because not all mines can be defused and, as they say, a sapper only makes one mistake. Indeed, maybe some mistakes were made, soldiers were wounded, lost limbs, but look at how they are met in the DPR. Why in Ukraine has there never been, well, on Maidan they put up those little flags, mourning ones and so on, there’s similar, fixing how many Ukrainian soldiers died, but why can’t you, on that same Maidan, in Kyiv, even for a PR campaign, conduct something similar, at least feel for those soldier-invalids who, by the way, still haven’t received compensation for their health, many, the overwhelming majority, haven’t received it? Why doesn’t Ukrainian propaganda work that way? Propaganda, I’ll say again, is a very good word, it’s not a curse word if it serves the state, it’s a good word, but Zelensky puts himself on display, look at what he does: somewhere there, in the distant, distant, blurry background, there might be Ukrainian soldiers, and he stands by that stele, puffing himself up in that skimpy, idiotic bulletproof vest, probably defective because a real bulletproof vest is very heavy, the little runt couldn’t carry it, the one that the same defense minister bought from Mindich, well, probably these bulletproof vests he’s now using for photo and video shoots. Of course, you are absolutely right, the outrage knows no bounds. I think many Ukrainian citizens who saw this cheap advertisement also asked this question: “And where are your troops, Commander-in-Chief?”
Based on what is happening now at the front, let’s try to outline a certain trend. Of course, the Kupiansk operation showed us, from the Ukrainian point of view, that… look, there is Tymoshchuk, who, as it were, cut off the “cauldron,” and I, by the way, very much share this—it was discussed on my air yesterday—about how, “Listen, it turns out you can cut off cauldrons, it turns out you can fight, plus or minus, but they told us all along that no, if it’s a cauldron, then that’s it, and we lost.” Ukraine lost a whole series of settlements, and as if according to the same patterns, that is, an entry from one side, an entry from the other, that’s all, and essentially, we lost. And they say it can’t be done, that is, there is a certain enlightenment. But some analysts note that Tymoshchuk in this whole crowd, but as if many people didn’t notice, well, at least he didn’t puff himself up, no, they wrote that he commanded in that direction, and here’s a young general, that’s talented, but no more, they found a photo. What do you think, why? What’s the matter? Bezugla once again stirs up a story about how, look, Syrskyi, or, for example, the success of a specific field general, essentially, they latched onto, attached themselves, but the general himself was remembered in passing. And this also, by the way, overlaps with your rhetorical question about propaganda and the past, because how not to create heroes of this war—we’ve already talked about this with you repeatedly—well, no, in fact, there aren’t any, I don’t know, any people who symbolize some success. But here you have at least some success, and here comes Zelensky, also such a servant with a knife on a belt. Undoubtedly. However, how does this story affect subsequent developments in combat operations, subsequent steps, subsequent events at the front? Because Siversk has fallen, everyone has already said it except the General Staff, in Pokrovsk, which was so terrorized by Syrskyi on the weekends, everywhere they just… that he sleeps with soldiers in trenches in the Ledukh? Yes, here he is, a real father and saves the Ukrainian army’s people, therefore there is such slow advancement by the Russians. But in general, Pokrovsk hasn’t been surrendered, he says. Siversk, Marinka is not surrounded at all. And here we see in the center of the city, the flag is raised, Solovyov goes there, the DPR guys write that Siversk has been taken. That is, we see quite serious movement at the front. And notice how everyone fell silent about the Oskil and Oskil River area. How will this story, a turning point in Kupiansk from the Ukrainian point of view, affect the other very active theaters of these military operations? Over the past two weeks, Russia has liberated four major centers, you already named them. Huliapole is next, Dymytrov is next. Today in Dymytrov there are fierce battles, and there is no chance to break out. And there were several breakthroughs, as you say, they try to cut off the cauldron, but there is no cutting off, no effects, no, let’s say, real steps. Yes, indeed, there is still, let’s say, I absolutely soberly assess that Ukraine today possesses some forces for resistance, yes, it possesses them. And, let’s say, those units of the Russian army… Russia is fighting with one percent of the total population of Russia. For comparison, during the Great Patriotic War, 26 percent of Soviet people fought from the total population of the Soviet Union. Russia today is fighting with one percent. That is, this war can be waged indefinitely. Of course, indefinitely, it won’t be waged, that’s clear, but Ukraine doesn’t have such chances and such opportunities. People are running out. And those who remain, fanatically believing that they are liberating their land—it’s not their land anymore. This we’ve already talked about a hundred times, that Ukrainian land is already long since Western land, American, British, and so on. It’s been sold. Ask your prime minister, Shmyhal, how she sold Ukrainian land along with Ukrainian subsoil. So here I am amazed at Vitaliy Portnikov, who said repeatedly that Zelensky not only doesn’t promote his commanders, but, to be honest, at least like Putin does—although, of course, he won’t be like that—look at how clearly promotions in rank and positions for high-ranking military personnel go for their outstanding service to the state. That’s not just hanging a star on the epaulettes. Ukrainian army epaulettes don’t even exist, they pinned that badge on, according to the Polish model, the Ukrainian uniform—they didn’t even have their own uniform, their own was, but Poroshenko destroyed it, changed everything to the Western manner, but anyway. So Zelensky is not concerned with who will… I absolutely agree here with Bezugla, although she is not my friend or sister, that Syrskyi is not a commander-in-chief, he has no concept at all of strategic troop management, strategic planning, judging by how easily he transfers elite units from one dangerous section of the front to another dangerous section of the front. Not a single general, not a single marshal did that, because both directions are dangerous. If you transfer a unit, it’s obvious to anyone, you don’t need to graduate from the General Staff Academy for that, and you are leaving one section of the front by transferring to another, they will be defeated both there and there. That is, it’s a double loss. This is what Syrskyi does. And I think even he now—I am deeply convinced of this, of course I don’t have any data on this topic and can’t have, because all military plans, all military movements are, of course, a closed topic for any country—but the way he acts really borders on the fact that the person is not in his place, he is a random person in this supreme command of the Ukrainian armed forces. And Bezugla is right that he needs to be removed, from her point of view, as a people’s deputy, but she may really be deeply concerned about the fate of the military who are dying today on the Ukrainian front, and she may sincerely wish for a replacement of the entire Ukrainian leadership. But the main thing is not that. Again we return to the same point. No matter how much you talk in a brothel without rearranging the beds, nothing will change from his appointment. Ukraine has no resources for war. Ukraine has no economic base. It has been living in debt for a long time, and if not in debt, then in the role of a beggar. So what’s the point, by the way, this also concerns the topic of, indeed, long-term peace, which all progressive forces in Ukraine are talking about today, that it’s long overdue to sit down at the table and surrender under such circumstances, to save the lives of its citizens. But how much longer? The fourth year you’ve been trying to portray a war with Russia. You’re not fighting it, you’re portraying it. And all these little pinpricks, yes, in the form of attacks on tankers with the help of British Sea Breezes, you’ll wait, as I’ve already said before, Ukraine will be cut off from the sea, it will be a landlocked country, that is, there will be no Ukrainian seaports, cities, and so on. Will you play until the end? Well, you see, this is a long history, not very obvious, forces and means, they won’t cut it off tomorrow, so you can still… let them cut it off. Well, yes, yes, yes, in a paradoxical, of course, moment. At first I was so alarmed, I thought, wow, in general, when they announced that in Odessa now the situation is very difficult, there’s no water, people went to the pumps to get water for themselves, there’s no light, everyone understands that this is, of course, a nightmare and people are really pitiable. There was such news from the Odessa authorities that they are strengthening police patrols, raised everyone who was on weekends, who was somewhere, in short, everyone is combing, patrolling the city. They tell us it’s so there won’t be looters. Well, because there’s no light, it’s clear, yes, that is, alarms don’t work, in general, yes, people can enter a store and, in general, take something out, and so on. It seems like normal practice, but somehow, you know, for a country where Odessa, as well as, as you correctly listed, and in Sumy, Kharkiv, in short, all these cities, they work in such a tense mode, but somehow the topic of looting wasn’t raised here, but here it was raised. Or are they trying to hide something behind this looting? Look, there are some strange provocations this week, and all of them are from Moldova, from Moldova. But they are done for a reason, that something Russia is preparing in Transnistria, well, something is being prepared, the GUR issued it, and says, yes, this is Budanov’s, like, his own, well, in general, he’s working on it, yes, it’s him, this information is just like that. And here we see some enhanced patrols. Could there be some very sudden story that will be, like a bolt from the blue, regarding precisely such southern cities, where trouble has come seriously in recent days, yesterday, today?
I call it simpler, Sasha: a popular uprising. Under the guise of looting, yes, all, let’s say, people going out into the street without reason are suppressed, so that people don’t gather, don’t protest, well, here, or maybe even not storm some government institutions, because the power, both local and central, is already just a bone in the throat, no one is going to do anything. By the way, Shmyhal, for example, the Ukrainian minister—again, I’m not defending her—but she now issued an order that local authorities, those that are in at least some border area, I emphasized even with Belarus, make decisions for the life support of their regions independently, contacting neighboring states. This is such an order from the Prime Minister of Ukraine. That is, in the west of Ukraine, it’s clear with whom, the south is also clear, and the most interesting thing is the north of Ukraine, too, how they will, although, by the way, as the same Alexander Grigoryevich Lukashenko, the President of Belarus, he always said, and still says, “I will help Ukrainians with everything I can,” but if only some Budanov or Maliuk don’t, again, accuse some local leader, yes, of state treason for such willfulness and the order of the prime minister and hand these people over to trial. That could also happen. But regarding, again, you hinted then that there could be cases of looting, but that always was and is in occupied or, let’s say, cities under blockade. Do you think in blockaded Leningrad there was no looting? Yes, with Ploshchad, with Ploshchad, outstanding historians already talk about this, such as Gennady Spiritsyn, Yuri Zhukov, they now write quite frankly about how they heroically defended the city on the Neva and that there were different cases, there were cases of cannibalism, that was also there. A blockade is a blockade, a blockade is terrible. So I think that a blockade of Odessa hasn’t happened yet, well, here, and God forbid, of course, but nevertheless the Ukrainian authorities are afraid. They are afraid of an external, so to speak, enemy, what Zelensky himself is afraid of, that people will finally explode, their patience will run out. That’s the question.
Well, about people, you know, a rather terrible, probably, statement from the commander of the airborne troops, this Shapovalov, he makes a statement—well, yesterday was their holiday, so yesterday Kupiansk was, in fact, highlighted, under that also a parade. You understand, everyone says, “Here, Russia, it fights for dates, dates, some kind, something somewhere,” but here we see, yes, here the airborne troops, Zelensky comes on a holiday, in short, that is, the loudest shouting that someone is for some dates, but Zelensky does all this, that’s different, you understand, that is, specifically, dates for the Day of the Airborne Troops, here we all saw this performance. He makes a statement at a briefing that attacks on TCC [Territorial Recruitment Center] employees inflict no less damage to the country’s defense capability than strikes on the military on the front line. Imagine, he emphasizes that attacks on servicemen performing tasks for registration and staffing are a crime. An attack on a serviceman, period. It doesn’t matter where he serves, in an assault brigade, in artillery, or in the TCC, everyone in their place performs their important tasks. Especially considering the fact that mainly the TCC and SBU serve those who have relatives and cannot continue service in combat units. He acknowledges the presence of individual cases of abuse of authority by military commissars, but emphasizes that the system is being reformed and all problems must be resolved legally. That is, you understand, what a soldier’s, such barracks logic. That is, when you, well, I don’t know, there are already several reports, people just share, say, “Protect your children,” especially if there’s some 16-year-old, a tall boy, well, grew big, or an 18-year-old, just finished school, or finishing, or somewhere. Protect them. They grab without distinction, spray with gas, beat them, then it turns out it’s some schoolboy, conditional, yes, or some student, well, and then this is all in the regions, now it’s starting, and in Ivano-Frankivsk, Lviv, that is, Lutsk distinguished itself, and everyone somehow looks at it like that. That is, when all this happens, it’s like normal, and reforms should be according to the law, but why isn’t this according to the law? How do you assess the situation with mobilization prospects, Yuri Antonych? After all, this is now, probably, the cornerstone. And I, by the way, very, very, this is also not, well, like that, not popular, not trendy thoughts. When everyone saw Zelensky against the backdrop of the stele in Kupiansk, yes, who rushed there, well, let’s take pictures, some understood, “Aha, things are not moving towards peace, they will drive everyone into the trenches, drive everyone into the army,” as they believe. Well, yes, yes, yes. But you, by the way, raised the most painful topic, yes, the Ukrainian one: what will happen with those individuals who have reached the age of up to 22 years? This is now, look, it will come up, yes, earlier this topic was very much discussed, they even accused the Ukrainian leadership of that too old soldiers somehow get captured, and this is indicative of the fact that elderly people are caught by the Ukrainian armed forces. And now generally this topic has gone in Western media, and Zelensky, by the way, has already been reminded less that he released from Ukraine about 800 thousand young people, Ukrainian citizens. They fell silent, shut up for now, but not for long, I think. Why? Because the worse the situation at the front—and it will worsen further—the more, let’s say, there will be a deficit of personnel in the Ukrainian armed forces. And I, here where I am, talked with some young people from Ukraine, very young, 19-20 years old, who took advantage of this opportunity to leave. And they told me—they are convinced Ukrainians, again, I emphasize, and I wasn’t going to convert them to my beliefs—but they tell me, “We were raised from childhood, both in the family and at school, by the way, here are such advanced guys, and by the way, they, yes, really, from Western Ukraine, as strange as it may seem, where there are the least combat operations and shelling. They say, ‘Since childhood, we were systematically, yes, in kindergarten, let’s say, raised in an anti-Russian spirit.’ They, by the way, were in the kindergarten that the late, not unknown, Poriychuk attended, remember, yes, I once, that Masha, Marychka, there, we understand, not Misha, but Myshko. These guys were in that group. So they say, ‘Well, how is that? We were raised in this spirit, love for Ukraine, hatred for everything Russian.’ Many of them, friends, even if they are, then their friends entered Ukrainian universities, we were also pumped there with everything anti-Russian, and told that Ukraine needs to be defended, that it needs to be protected from external, so to speak, influence—why, from American external influence, those guys don’t know anything at all, but that’s okay, it’s not the point—and that night witches generally exist today in Ukraine. But they ask me a rather reasonable question, and as you correctly said, their friends also fell under these roundups: ‘Why do they catch us and beat us inside the state?’ They say, ‘Why are they beating us, these TCC officers, this OPG created by Zelensky?’ And I didn’t know what to answer. But of course, if I had developed that topic there, yes, I think I would hardly have convinced them, because, well, again, they are big boys already, they should figure it out themselves. But I think that since they ask me such questions, why they, convinced Ukrainian guys, are beaten and killed by the Ukrainian state itself, I think they will come to it in time. Of course, as they say, it doesn’t get through the head, it will get through another place, well, it will get through another place, and for them, as long as it’s not too late.” But to my question, “Well, but the war isn’t forever, it will end someday, will you return to Ukraine?” A categorical no. Just categorical. “We, we talked now, already know approximately what we will do here, we are trying to learn the language, although we studied English and German in Ukraine, but now we will study the local languages, we will assimilate.” And I’ll say again, they, although from the point of view of ideological training already brainwashed, yes, guys, well, “Bandera is our hero,” in that sense it’s not even worth trying to fix, but from the point of view of how to settle in a new life, I assure you, they are such quick ones. “And why do we need this Ukraine, to return to the ruins?” That’s what they say. And they used the word “ruins” in the context not of that Ukraine is now bombing all the energy infrastructure and it will need to be rebuilt, but they told me, “The ruins that the Ukrainian leadership carried out, itself, the state bodies themselves destroyed their country. After all, that’s a fact.” Well, so, what kind of agreement can there be? So everyone is still waiting for peace. Trump—and I for some reason believe him, I don’t know about you, share your impression—I think that he, of course, might have embellished the percentage somewhere, but it also seems to me that 82 percent of Ukrainians want an end to the war, and already with conditions, already you can, well, as it were, give in somewhere or not give in, no matter how much they yell and shout about this Donbas or some other points. Well, here again, an 800,000-strong army. Here, provided the war ends, who cares what? That is, again everyone sees in this signals a marker that we will have a militarized society. That is, the militarization of Ukraine will not be, and we will be getting out of this war for a long time, or maybe even never. Well, because these guys you saw, whom you talked with abroad, 18-year-olds, there, you understand what a story: they can’t be ideologically brainwashed. Well, for example, Karasev, yes, he said that, it was, that’s children, he said, well, Ukrainians, product, Ukrainians, Karasev, you, let’s, either fight or reproduce, all such, and oh, my, listen. That is, this here, well, how, it’s such… Damaged, what kind, well, it’s like, you know, the feeling that there, and I actually don’t like when they compare there to sheep in a pen, or to sheep, some with pigs, yes, in a pen, who sit there, their task is such, to reproduce, well, and to perform some function, yes, here some, I don’t know, defense, or something else, in general, a task, already as animals, Karasev treats Ukrainians, you understand. But in the big picture, they don’t accept it. They can accept it dialectically, they can say, sing a song in praise of Bandera, but they don’t see themselves in this format: reproduce or fight. No, of course, reproducing is better than fighting, the process is more pleasant, but excuse me, please… I, as you know, relate to children, well, not very, but the process itself, well, that is, you understand, people just have some plans for life, which were simply crossed out and thrown into the furnace of this war by Zelensky. How can you negotiate, having, well, a significant handicap of people who really live in inhuman conditions, trying to, as it were, manage to charge their power banks somewhere, somewhere there, somewhere something? Some people, this, by the way, is a paradoxical story, I’ll share with you: at the time, in those times when we, remember, were on Ukrainian television, with you were on the air, in the studios of all these, Ukrainian pensioners went to the housing office and clinic, not because something bothered them or they needed to solve something there, but because it’s warm there, yes, they are cold. And now we are simply observing the apotheosis of this story. Of course, a difficult situation, but people want peace. What can it be like, what do you think?
A big question you asked. Well, I’ll try to answer. In the beginning, you mentioned this some kind of uncontrollable birth rate that some ultra-nationalists, neo-Nazis propagate. And I’ll recall just the brilliant film “Dead Season” with Donatas Banionis, when, in essence, the short plot: the Germans came up with during the war, developed a gas, R-H, a drop of which, 10 thousandth of a dose introduced into the human body, turned any person into an animal. And there is such a character, unquestioningly, by the way, carrying out any orders. And in this film there is this hero, yes, Dr. Haas, who very easily justifies such developments of Nazi Germany. He says, “Well, imagine, people live as in hives: a person is a baker, a person is a turner, a person is a shepherd, but it never occurs to him to become a professor. He gets his daily bread soup, and if he works well, a woman in the evening, and he is satisfied.” He says, “A bull doesn’t have an inferiority complex from being a bull. The same with people.” Ukraine did the same with people, hammering into their brains this nationalist, Nazi poison, yes, about the superiority of the Ukrainian nation, the Ukrainian language, and so on. They really turned, like this Karasev, people into animals who think only about reproduction, but in no way about how to improve their inner world, the world of their state, a mono-national state. Well, and now regarding peace itself. You know, probably you can’t restore a house in which the entire foundation has rotted, all the floors have rotted, everything has rotted, but the roof is, as it were, there. The house needs to be demolished. That’s my deep conviction. And it should be demolished by those who live in this house. And if they can’t, then obviously, let them call someone from outside to help demolish all this rot and build a new house on different principles, from different materials, so that it stands for at least another hundred, two hundred years. To this day, since 1991, Ukraine has not taken place as an independent, sovereign state. This is a sad statement, but it’s a fact. You can’t turn away from it. And of course, I’ll say again, peace in Ukraine, with all, let’s say, external factors, with all the troubles, must be made by the Ukrainians themselves in Ukraine, and no one else. But if they don’t do it, then that other will come, and he will do it. We already see this in those cities of southeastern Ukraine where, so to speak, it’s not Ukraine anymore.
And why aren’t the British building towards peace? Why aren’t the Americans? Alexander, everyone wants to live like in America. Everyone wants that, the American dream. I understand that you know the answer to this question, you know, but you ask it as if, you know, such a child, a schoolboy. And I’ll answer you very simply: because this is centuries-old, world history. Never have the Anglo-Saxons wished peace for the Slavs. Never. Take any historical fact, any historical period, in any century, the Anglo-Saxons have always conducted subversive, undermining activities against the Slavic world. And the Slavic world I take in a broad sense: it’s both culture and religion, and so on and so forth. One could talk about this endlessly. But the Anglo-Saxons are not our friends. That’s my brief answer. And they never will be. Moreover, one can deal with them only with crude force. Any small force, quiet force, won’t help. When they feel that crude force is affecting them, they begin to think about how to save themselves. As they did, by the way, today with the United States. They say frankly—I mean not ordinary citizens, everything is clear with them, average Americans, but in the higher echelons of power, in the, Lord, parliament, in the Senate, in Congress—they don’t want to fight with Russia. They don’t want to, yes, they wish it defeat, a strategic defeat, but directly, face-to-face, they don’t want to fight with Russia. Wait, so isn’t everything heading towards a war between Russia and Europe or in some domain? Yes, that’s exactly the games they are playing. And again, pulling chestnuts out of the fire not with their own hands, but with Ukrainian ones. That’s what all this leads to, you understand? Therefore, I repeat again: peace in Ukraine must come when Ukrainians want it, and when that moment comes when they are finally given the right to choose. Turn on your head, turn on your head. They elect concrete clowns, come home, sit down, lay out solitaire from portraits of candidates, and begin to analyze: what did this one do, what is that one capable of, what will the third person go for, and so on. And you begin to analyze the actions of those politicians who will be elected in Ukraine. Well, elections, of course, will be, but not now and not tomorrow. Zelensky’s elections for the third time, no, you are absolutely sure of this 100%, but a trick on his part is guaranteed. I’m interested in another question: even if he is elected—although now there’s even talk about who will recognize him as legally elected president. That interests me more, and how from the West’s side. Well, from the Russian side it’s clear that 100% these elections will be recognized as not legitimate, but who will recognize him in the West? That’s a big question and very interesting.
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